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will move away from the rigid position which has been the grover norquist pledge that they signed that they will not go away for additional revenues. >> the gop rejecting the decade-old pledge. here's what norquist said about cham bliss. >> the commitment that he made to the people of georgia was not to me. it was to the people of georgia that he would go to washington to reduce government spending and reform government, not raise taxes. if he wants to change his mind and become a tax increaser so we don't have to reform government, he needs to have that conversation with the people of georgia. >>> >> and new today, congressman peter king on the controversy. >> i agree with chambliss. if i were in congress in 1941, i would have signed al declaration of war against japan. i'm not going to declare war against japan today. the times have changed. ronald reagan and tip o'neil recognized that in the '80s. everything should be on the table. >> joining me, ed and david. thank you for joining me. >> good to see you, alex. >> you heard representative king on "meet the press" saying that he
worked for john mccain. you hang out with eric cantor. grover norquist is your tomorrow. these are your pals. [laughter] >> i hang with an interesting bunch. >> first, is it fun? and secondly, am i wrong that we're in -- i agree with what a lot of what michael is trying to take us, but i, as a realist to use to work for richard nixon, look at the world as it is not as i hope it might be. i guess my question is to you, do you believe given the people you know that there's a chance for strategic response to these things as opposed to reactive response? because of their inability to get along with the guys in the white house, and gals? >> we just don't get along but that's been true for a long time so how do you get past that? we have to go back to a different kind of leadership, the kindly with ronald reagan, with bill clinton, where presidential leadership meant here's what america needs. i will send this bill, say to the congress. what that does for the congress is against them air cover. they can say we don't want to do this. the president -- >> maybe obama ought to make bill clinton t
for tax reform, grover norquist. he is the person who got some members of congress to sign a pledge to not sign taxes. a number of republicans said they are willing to vote for a tax increase. this is just under an hour. >> thank you for coming out. two weeks in a row, thank you very much for coming out and we will have another one next wednesday and we appreciate you being here. grover norquist, president of americans for tax reform. people who are following us on twitter, just tweeted, we'll take your questions. we want to thank the bank of america for supporting these series. the forum is about issues that matter most in washington. last week, how the obama campaign won and today we will talk about very important issue for conservatives and republicans, the path forward for them and their party. we appreciate bank of america's partnership including at both of the conventions. and we are going to bring you into the conversation. you got cards. we would love to take your questions and also be getting questions as they call it on "morning joe"," the twitter machine. we would love to
on your facebook page. and grover norquist, says the republican will not cave on the fiscal cliff and that the g.o.p. will not agree to higher tax rate. i disagree with that. grover coming up after the break. so, too, is the opening bell. next, is this what republicans are up against? >> we cannot afford to extend the bush tax cuts for the wealthy. what i'm not going to do is to extend bush tax cuts for the wealthiest 2% that we can't afford. can your hearing aid do this? lyric can. lyric can. lyric can. lyric by phonak is the world's only 24/7, 100% init's tiny.aring device. but lyric's not just about what you can't see. it's about what it can do. lyric can be worn 24/7 for up to four months, without battery changes. incredibly easy to live with, lyric can be worn showering, sleeping and exercising. in fact, you might forget it's there at all. call for a risk--free trial. and you'll see lyric can also give you exceptionally clear, natural sound in quiet and noisy environments because of how it works with your ear's own anatomy. (testimonial section) (testimonial section) (testimo
in congress signed a no tax pledge created by americans for tax reform chair, grover norquist. now some republicans are abandoning the anti-tax pledge as fast as they abandoned -- what's his name? i got it. don't help me. don't help me. rip flaumbe. >> we recently reported "the on june" satire newspaper named north korean leader kim jong un the sexiest man alive. apparently the joke was lost on china's communist party newspaper. they ended up running a 55-page spread of the leader congratulating him for the title. you can understand how that can be confusing, you know, his fashion sense. >> because i'm gullible? >> a little bit of everything. come on. you've got to have found with it. >> the "two and a half men" with thing, should we believe the video where he was live or the pr statement? >> i think we should believe he makes $350,000 an episode and that's enough said. >>> this is from care 11 news in minneapolis, where a wave of baby blue swept through a maternity ward for three days. delivery room doctors shouted it's a boy 19 consecutive times between 5:00 p.m. saturday and 7:30 a.m
. >> steve: grover norquist has hundreds of republicans to do that. clearly with the fiscal cliff comment and automatic spending cuts and taxes go up on everybody. something has to be done. the feeling is that it will happen two now. republicans have beenadament and said we can't raise taxes on anybody. and glover norquist said as long as you don't raise tax rates that is okay. and lindsay graham on that. >> i agree we shouldn't raise rates but i think grover is wrong to cap and buy down debt. what do you do with the money and i will violate the pledge for the good of the country only if the democrats do entitlement reform. >> gretchen: i think the pledge thing is good and bad. if you are a republican and believe that raising taxes is the wrong they think that and fine. but ham stringing politicians and many people lost election over there and turns out times change. peter king is also saying he's going to go against the pledge who agreed to it years and years and his reasoning that times have changed. here is the caviat . you are a republican and don't want to raise taxes and willing to
. that pledge pushed by the conservative activist, grover norquist, has been part of republican orthodoxy for several years which makes statements like these so surprising. listen -- >> i will violate the pledge, long story short, for the good of the country, only if democrats will do entitlement reform. >> i'm not obligated on the pledge. i made tennesseans aware, i was just elected, that will only thing i'm honoring is the oath that i served. >> a pledge you signed 20 years ago, 18 years ago is for that congress. >> when i go to the constituents that have reelected me, it is not about that pledge. >> eric cantor, the majority leader in the house of representatives. joining us now, kevin mccarthy, the majority whip, the number three republican leader in the house of representatives. thanks for coming in. >> thanks for having me. >> are you ready to jump on that bandwagon and violate that grover norquist pledge? >> i think what the american people want is to see the problem solved. what we have, we spend more than $1 trillion more than we bring in every year. we have to solve that problem
republicans. a lot are saying they will violate grover norquist's no tax pledge. >> this pledge goes back to 1986 and you're now seeing some republicans saying no i'm going to break this pledge. lindsey graham from south carolina, the most recent saxby chambliss did it the other day. those republicans senators up for re-election in 2014. maybe they'll face a challenge from the right. take a look at what lindsey graham said on the sunday talk shows. >> when you're $16 trillion in debt the only pledge we should be making to each other is to avoid the coming grief, and republicans, republicans should put revenue on the table. we're this far in debt, we don't generate enough revenue. >> and that's his key difference here. he says he's okay with the no taxes but we do need to raise revenues and if that means cutting back on such things as tax rates, he will do it. also he says the democrats have to come forward here, as well. they have to do entitlements if he's going to break his pledge. zoraida? >> paul steinhauser live in washington for us. thank you. >> we're in the midst of the shopping f
of the year. >> one of the sort of controversial men in the middle here has been grover norquist, one of the few guys in washington who goes by his own name, grover. his first name, i should say. there are reports that some republicans who signed his no tax hike pledge are backing away from him. in the "wall street journal" saturday, he said, no, nobody's backed off. what's the truth here? >> well, he's wrong about that. they are backing away from him. but i have to say, tyler, this is an issue that's much bigger than grover norquist pcht republican party has staked out tax issue for a long time. it is not because of one individual and the pledge, although he's done a very effective job of marketing that and marketing himself. this is about a stance of the republicans as the party of less government. democrats as the party of more government. but i do think because republicans lost the election, because they've had a difficult time, new york jets fans might recognizefy said they've had the equivalent of a butt fumble over the last couple of months. republicans are on the defensive. th
. >> if grover norquist on the right and entrenched radical democrats, are they forcing deals like this? ralcorp -- >> no. you know what they are forcing? special dividends. >> yes, they are. >> declaring special dividends ahead of possible tax increases related to the fiscal cliff. las vegas sands, the largest single donor in the history of politics, has approved a special dividend. $2.75 a share. retailer dillard's says it will pay a one-time dividend of $5 in december and the home of jack daniels a cash dividend of $4 a share. i don't know how large the dillard family is. these dividends are very important to some of these families. the walton family when walmart did it saved $180 million as a result if in fact we see dividend taxes go to 39.6 from where they currently are. family run companies. sheldon is a big shareholder in las vegas sands. you pay a dividend and you are avoiding potentially an increase in the tax bill as a result of paying it earlier. >> adelson loses in the election so he realizes rates are going higher so he pays a special -- >> i don't know what the numbers add up to.
or not the republicans will move away from the ideologically rigid position, which has been the grover norquist pledge, which most of them signed, that they will not go for additional revenues. when they move away from that pledge, and they must, as by the way all the presidents that i have ever served with, including reagan, clinton, and the first george bush, moved away from a position no additional taxes. they all added revenues to deficit reduction. a significant amount of revenue. >> your colleague from georgia just this week said the following about that pledge not to raise any taxes. >> you know, that pledge i signed 20 years ago was valid then. it's valid now, but times have changed significantly.Ñi and i care more about this country than i do about a 20-year-old pledge. >> it is my view that the issue of taxes is the number one stumbling block to any kind of fiscal deal. that has to be resolved first before you can get to issues like sequestration. when you hear that from a colleague, does it say to you that there is room, and does the president do anything short of raising tax rates on the
-tax crusader grover norquist who had gotten a majority of republican lawmakers to pledge not to support any effort to raise taxes. >> i'm willing to generate revenue, it's fair to ask my party to put revenue on the table. we're below historic averages. i will not raise tax rates to do it. i will cap deductions. i will violate the pledge, long story short, for the good of the country only if democrat will do entitlement reform. >> reporter: it's not yet clear when lawmakers and the president will meet next. a final deal could still be a long way off. >> we rarely see the hill and the white house make decisions early. i would be pleasantly surprised to see a deal emerge earlier than the end of the year. but we'll see. >> reporter: this week just might bring the parties one step closer. athena jones, cnn, washington. >>> anger and fresh clashes in egypt as dwivisions deepen over the president's new powers. even the financial markets taking notice. >>> a weekend getaway turned into a raging inferno. if you think running a restaurant is hard, try running four. fortunately we've got ink. it gives
that they are willing to abandon the grover norquist no tax pledge. you have republicans making very conciliatory noises about immigration reform. and so the base is concerned that the party is basically just going to go along with democrats on everything. so that may have been a way to reassure conservatives that he hasn't abandoned them. pete: all right, molly. everything here seems to be continued but this is certainly one of them. while avoiding the fiscal cliff will prevent the economy from sliding down into recession, it won't put 12 million people back to work. and jim has written in "national journal" that president obama has to contend with four other forces if he wants to get the economy on better footing. what are those forces? >> these are the forces that have been holding back the recovery in big tore little ways over the last few years. ever since the recession ended. the good news is that a couple of them are starting to abate. let's start with the one that's getting hert. the housing market absolutely was the main driver for why this recovery has been so slow. and it's really starting to
that man's pledge, americans for tax reform president grover norquist who has hundreds of republicans signed. >> do you feel you are under assault? >> no. it allows elected officials to make it clear openly to voters where they stand. are they going to be able to perform in government of raising taxes. >> reporter: norquist's threat that he will help fund republican campaign challenges against those who violate the pledge. >> what i think i hear you saying, we won't go over. >> i think we will continue the tax cuts. not raise taxes $500 billion. >> reporter: while norquist tries to keep republicans in line -- >> protecting medicare, medicare and education from cuts -- >> reporter: major unions have spent millions targeting democrats, hoping to stop the program. congressional staffers met over the holiday week and leaders hope to meet with the president in the coming week. there are predictions it could be wrapped up before christmas. we'll see. >> david kerley, thank you. >>> we are going to turn overseas and a scene of horror. a clothing factory that went up in flames. the workers tr
or not the republicans will move away from the ideologically rigid position which has been the grover/norquist pledge which most of them signed that they will not go for additional revenues. >> reporter: for the first time, even the anti-tax pledge appears to be negotiable. several republicans are indicating they're open to breaking that promise. >> when you're $16 trillion in debt, the only pledge we should be making to each other is to avoid becoming greece and republicans should put revenue on the table. >> reporter: but new revenue doesn't necessarily mean new taxes. >> i would be very much opposed to raising tax rates. but i do believe we can close a lot of loopholes. >> reporter: and democrats say just closing loopholes and cutting deductions isn't enough. >> you've got to raise additional revenues, including tax rates on the wealthy. >> those have to go up? >> they have to go up. >> reporter: in any deal, republicans insist on big cuts to entitlement programs like medicare and social security. now taxes are getting all the attention right now but these talks also need to address the federal de
americans a big sticking point because the taxpayer protection pledge promoted by grover norquist. he is lobbyist and conservative activists convinced all republican lawmakers to oppose all tax hikes. now 10 gop lawmakers would be willing to break that pledge. senator sachs by chambliss was the first to announce followed by other prominent republicans including senator lindsey graham and john mccain. then the chairman of house homeland security committee, peter king. >> the only pledge we should make is avoid becoming greece. republicans should put revenue on the table. >> i think everything should be on the table. i myself am opposed to tax increases. the fact the speaker and majority leader and president will be in another room trying to find the best package. i will not prejudge it. jon: joining us now for a fair and balanced debate the doug thorn former communication is chairman for the democratic national committee and congressman chris van hollen. ron bonjean for. former aide to house speaker dennis hastert. has grover norquist lost his will? >> speaker boehner said revenues wou
that come with it. >> world changed. >> the no neweh9hn taxes pledges the brain child of grover norquist. >> the pledge allows elected officials to make it clear openly to the voters where they stand. >> here in washington he carries weight as evidenced by lawmaker xgh signed the pledge over the years. norquist told abc news this isn't about him and lawmaker autos don't tell me bit. they need tochl plain to voters.twrht >> there is still a catch. >> i will violate the pledge for the good of the country only if democrats will do reform. >> the white house indicated everything is part of the discussion. >> abc news, washington. >> stocks gave back a little of last weeks gain was traders concerned with about the fiscal cliff. dow jones gave back 42 points to finish at 12,967. the s and p 500 off nearly three. >> jipgss planned a real yeel against a recent power grab by president morsi. a shawl but vocal group demonstrated again today in tahrir square. emfeel he is acting like a dictateor. the u.s. says his power grab goes against the spirit of the revolution. >> morsi says he acted within
about entitlement reforms. rest in peace, grover norquist? there are not enough republican tax hikes -- republicans to hike taxes for obama. the left is doing its best to make tax hikes appear to be a foregone conclusion. that is their take on tax hikes. eddie, on our line for independents, you are next. caller: i think president obama was elected to make the hard costs. host: what you mean? caller: he was elected to make a choice for the country. the majority of the country. the republicans are wrong and he is right. and i think that he should let us what the fiscal cliff because the republicans are scrambling out trying to change everything. they need to mow them out. and change it then. but i think they should let them go off the cliff. host: are you on medicare and social security? having yes. cliff wranglers way medicare age. can the country afford to continue on this road? paying what we pay for medicare? caller: we can afford it but it is a necessary evil. we have got to of the people stand firm and put the country back on a track that everyone can understand it. there will no
it. we have a breakfast next wednesday, bob woodward and senator marco rubio, grover norquist, thank you. [applause] ♪ >> the u.s. senate dabbles in today about an hour from now at 10:00 eastern and today they will continue working on legislation dealing with equal rights for persons with disabilities. majority ritter harry reid hopes the senate to work, 2013 defense program. off of the 4 u.s. ambassador susan rice meet with republican senators discussing the september attack on the consulate in benghazi, libya and she will talk with susan collins and senator bob corker. yesterday she sat down with senator mccain, gramm and ayat. senator mccain told reporters the information she gave the american people was incorrect, but a spontaneous demonstration triggered by hateful video. it was not and there was compelling evidence that the time that was certainly not the case. the house transportation and infrastructure committee is holding at hearing on amtrak's restructuring plans. the committee will hear from the inspector general and amtrak's president and representative from the united
about breaking grover norquist's anti-tax pledge. you call him a genial man who has dangerously loopy ideas. >> let them say that about me. >> well, you know, he kind of -- that's kind of what i think about grover. and he says nobody is caving on the pledge, but, you know, spidery cracks are appealing in the ceiling. look, i think that would be a good thing. what would be really good. you were just talking to senator durbin. what would be really good is if this sort of bland smoke, frankly, senator durbin's a friend of mine. but this bland smoke we're hearing on entitlements from democrats and taxes from republicans, if -- behind closed doors they're able to talk more specifically. i think this is what represents, actually, some kind of progress and i'm starting to feel a bit more hopeful than i was a few weeks ago that maybe we're going to start to get somewhere. >> yeah. maybe. i don't know. >> do we still have senator durbin with us? >> yes, i'm still here. >> i don't think he's run away. >> senator durbin, can you talk about putting medicaid to the side, social security to the sid
that prevented some from paying taxes. grover norquist today would look at that as a retreat a violation of a pledge. but your dad's point was very brother found he said i'm not trying to say hike taxes but make sure that everyone, everyone, everyone pays their fair share. would doing that today, bringing in allowances would it have the same effect? >>guest: many are willing to bring not allowance but they want something happening on the other side. you want to see the spending cuts take place. medicare is going up. my wife just got a note in the mail from the insurance provider, her health care is going up 15.1 percent after blue cross in california because they have a monopoly in california. we are told obamacare would lessen everything but it is going up for everyone. >>neil: but you would compromise on this if you got the spending cuts? >>guest: if you got the spending cuts, but you don't do anything until the hit the spending cuts, they owe my dollar $3 in spending cuts and george bush they owe him $2 spending cuts. i tell the republicans, if you buy into raising taxes first you wil
opinion of grover norquist and the no-tax pledge. >> a question for steve schmidt -- what is your opinion of the grover norquist no-tax pledge? >> on the issue of taxes, it is true that we are at a historic low of revenue to g.d.p.. it has to come up. because a country with $16 trillion in debt with republicans -- which republicans and democrats are responsible for has to be fixed. we have to get on to a sustainable economic path. barry goldwater said tax cuts yes, the deficit reduction first. you have to baby bells. d. -- pay the bills. in your personal and public life -- you want to have a prescription drug benefits under medicare, that is great, you have to pay for it. you once two wars? you have to pay for them, too. we should understand something about the republican party over the last and years. it has been a big spending party -- it just does not want to pay for any of the spending. a reset of traditional conservatism requires that we be reality-based on the fiscal condition of the country and understand that the years of profligacy now require increased revenue. the notion that w
grover norquist. that alone is a leading indicator that the fiscal deal is within reach. both sides are still far apart, the discussions over the next few weeks will be difficult, but with each new republican disavowing grover norquist, the chances of a deal rises sharply. first there was saxby chambliss, an honorable member of this body, a charter member of the gang of six who spent two years trying to negotiate a bipartisan compromise in the best of sphait. senator chambliss is a signer of the norquist pledge but he went on tv down in georgia, not somewhere else, down in georgia last week and bravely said -- quote -- "i care about my country more than i do about a 20-year-old pledge"-- unquote. then on abc this past sunday linsey graham said -- quote -- "the only pledge we should be making is to each other, to avoid becoming greece." on the very same program, my friend from new york, congressman pete king, said the pledge no longer applied because -- quote -- "the world has changed and the economic situation is different." now, these were just two interviews with george stephanopo
the no taxes pledge created by the president of americans for tax reform, grover norqui norquist, the two most terrifying words a republican can hear, other than buenos diaz. but now some republicans are abandoning the anti-tax pledge as fast as they abandoned -- what's his name? don't help me. don't help me. rip flambe -- no, that's my personal trainer. >> all right. good morning. it's wednesday, november 28th. look at this live look at rockefeller plaza. it is just lit up. gorgeous. >> you know what happens tonight? >> oh, yes, the big tree lighting. >> big commerce -- >> exciting for all the children. >> all right. welcome to "morning joe." >> mike, do you think that's going to whip people into a buying frenzy -- >> it's comcastic. >> a five-year running joke. >> i guess he wasn't paying attention. >> yes. >> national affairs editor for "new york" magazine. john heilemann and andrea mitchell. >> a lot of people say, i'm in trouble. and they've got these little arm bands now, wwjd. what would joe do? so what do i say? you've seen those, wwjd. >> everywhere. >> i say make a mistake, just step
. grover norquist is here tomorrow. these are your pals. and. >> i hang with an interesting bunch. >> first time is it fun? and secondly, am i wrong wear and -- i agree with a lot of where michel is trying to take this but i'm also one come as a realist used to work for richard nixon, look at the world as it is not as i hope it might be, and i guess my question is to you, or you believe given the people that you know that there's a chance for strategic response to these things as opposed to reactive response? because of their inability to get along with the guys in the white house, and gals. >> we just don't get along but that's been true for a long time so how do you get that? we have to go back to a different kind of leadership, a kindly and with ronald reagan, with bill clinton were presidential leadership meant here is what america needs. i will send this bill, say, to the congress that we need to do this. what that does for the congress is against them air cover. they can say we don't want to do this. but the president -- >> maybe obama ought to make bill clinton a fiscal cliff envoy.
and a compromise: grover norquist. for years, no norquist has bulld lawmakers. his brand of ideological extremism has been bad for congress and even worse for the congress. so i was pleased to see republicans in congress distance themselves from norquist this week. i appreciate that etch have. and so do the american people. and i'm sure their constituents do. several republican lawmakers have said revenue should be on the table during fiscal cliff negotiations. how common sense is that? it is absolutely clear to everyone except grover norquist. it is time now for those republicans to turn this happy talk into actions. presidenactions in the last year of president obama's campaign, that's what he talked about. americans when they voted raised their voices and supported our pledge. congress must act in accordance with the will of the american people. an agreement to avoid the fiscal cliff must give economic certainty to middle of-class families. it must protect american families still struggling from this resession. it must take a balanced approach to reduce spending but must also ask the richest o
from grover norquist's group, the anti-tax crusader, and his group americans for tax reform have asked republicans over the years to promise to oppose any effort to raise taxes in any way. now, just this past week, we heard from georgia senator republican saxby chambliss saying, for the love of his country he'd be willing this oppose this years-old pledge because if you stick to it it will make it much more difficult to reach agreement on the debt. today we heart from senator lindsey graham and peter king, congressman out of new york, also jumping on the bandwagon with that. let's listen to that. >> when you're $16 trillion in debt, the only pledge we should be making to each other is to avoid becoming greece. and republicans should put revenue on the table. i want to buy down debt and cut rates to create jobs but i will violate the pledge, long story short, for the good of the country only if democrats will do entitlement reform. >> agree entirely. a pledge you signed 20 years ago, 18 years ago, is for that congress. fy were in congress in 1941, i would have signed the declaration of
classmate grover norquist, the anti-tax crusader who came out swinging this weekend reminding republicans who signed the no new tax pledge to not discuss impure thoughts if they talk about taxes on national television. i know important apornography w it. it made it very clear that any republican who signed the pledge, that's pretty much every republican in congress, who balks at someone whose career is over. to me, that meant the defectors are far and few between. as a moderate leadership cannot deliver those pledge to the norquist hardline. norquist who seems to welcome a bust on the wall of shame, used to beg for it, is more powerful than speaker john boehner. norquist is more powerful than boehner. it feels as if the air went out of the compromise zeppelin. hey, like the graph zeppelin, like, lakers. retail, now we're hearing that there wasn't as much follow-through to the initial sales from thursday night. i think it's nonsense, but mo macy's and costco were tagged with huge loss es today. i believe the holiday sales are far are flat-out strong. amazing numbers from apple, like a rock
. >> brian: norquist is the bad guy. you should walk away from grover norquest. he said you have enough money on capitol hill and stop asking us . he's been a watch dog on our money so whether you are democrat or republican you should salute him. he warned you in the past that people who walked away from the no new taxes paid a price. >> remember the gang of 6. three of the people that you mentioned spent eight months in the room with democrats, pretending to negotiate tax increases for entitlement reform . after a while coburn had to admit they were offered nothing but tax increases. the president's budget is tax increases and president's negotiation is nothing but tax increases. >> gretchen: republicans need to hire good pr firms to get the message out. you will not go for tax increases unless the democrats go for cuts. >> brian: the president may not have control of his caucus. secret police files using as confetti in the macy's thanksgiving pallad. we will show share how it happened. >> steve: want to see where our economy is going. look back to 1937 and franklin roosevelt and stewart var
the debt and we got to figure out a way to pay it. >> and of course, that pledge creator, grover norquist, fired back on cnn "the situation room" just yesterday. >> the commitment he made to the people of georgia was not to me. it was a written commitment to the people of georgia that he would go to washington to reduce government spending and reform government, not raise taxes. if he wants to change his mind and become a tax increaser, so we don't have to reform government, he needs to have that conversation with the people of georgia. >> so alex, the big question is, do you see other leading republicans calling kind of following chambliss' suit? >> i think so, fredricka. a lot of republicans believe elections have consequences, and president obama was pretty clear in the election if he was re-elected, he was going to let the bush tax cuts expire on upper income taxpayers. and most americans seem to agree with him. you know if you ask 99% of the american people if you should raise taxes on the other 1% and not them, i think you can guess what they would do. elections have consequences. t
are attacking grover more gift. grover -- grover norquist. one side is going to win because it's united, highly aggressive and reckless. >> they said they would reform entitlements later -- >> come on ... martha: later? how many things have we said we are going to do later? it's so ridiculous it makes you want to jump over the fiscal cliff. in terms of raising the debt limit again. let me put this out there. the reason for that is they don't want to go through this exercise of talking about spending cuts. >> the other part of what i was going to say many democrats want to reform entitlements as long as it doesn't hurt beneficiaries. if you are going to talk to me about tax raising. we are talking about the bush clauses, the bush taxes which are supposed to end after 9 years because they knew there would be huge deficits after that. >> this is not even serious. everybody agrees taxes are going up. taxes are going up on rich people period. the real question is how are you going to pull back on spending? we have a debt larger than our economy because of spending, specifically medicare spending. th
: the secret white house recordings of john f. kennedy." on c-span's "q&a." >> next, grover norquist, president of americans for tax reform, talked about the so- called fiscal cliff and the upcoming tax bills in congress. he will also talk about the 2012 election and recent meetings at the white house between congressional leaders and president obama. this is an hour and 20 minutes. >> we are delighted to have grover norquist with us. of course, he is president of americans for tax reform but in the spirit of full disclosure, he is also a member of our board of directors and a very important colleague. grover spoke here several months ago, i should say here at the center, but not in this room because we moved -- there may be some glitches, so i apologize in advance. i am sure we will do better next time. however, grover talked about taxes, u.s. economic policy. but that was about taxes and the electoral campaign. now we had elections and the taxes are at the center of a very important political debate and at the center of negotiations between the obama administration and congress, particularly
to dissuade me from that. you work for john mccain coming ellis eric cantor, grover norquist is here tomorrow. is it fun? and second, am i wrong that we are -- i agree with a lot of what michael is trying to say, but i am also one who has a realistic used to work for richard nixon, look at the world as it is, not as i hope it might be. my question, do you believe given the people you know that there is a chance for strategic response to these things as opposed to the reactive response because of the inability to get along with the guys in the white house? >> we don't get along. we have to go back to a different lead, kindly have with ronald reagan and bill clinton where presidential meant coming here is what america needs. i will send this bill to the congress and say we need to do this. it gives the congress air cover. they can say, we did not want to do this. this was not my choice. >> maybe obama make in the fiscal cliff on void. >> i heard he did. >> this is important. to bridge that sort of -- take a step. better internal lead, but i want to go back. we have to be more outs were focused.
like a couple of retailers the choice to shop there or not shop there. a political statement. grover norquist is tweeting, avenge twinkie. shop at walmart today. >> now if you're a walmart shopper, you're somehow pro -- how does this happen? >> you know, walmart workers taking the stand has certainly brought an amazing debate. that debate includes tweets like that. the thing that's been much more exciting is a larger debate that's happening. walmart is the largest employer in the country. the debate that's happening is -- as said by then senator obama, what is the responsibility that they have as being the largest private employer. if we think about other times when other companies were our largest employer. we think about gm. the kind of jobs gmt created and -- the middle class. our economy shifted. we now have a retail-based and consumer-based economy with 70% of the gdp based on consumerism. what are the jobs creating a middle class and healthier economy? we would say that walmart needs to play a major role with 1.4 million employees. >> your point isn't to put them out of busines
stepped forward and said that their real oath is to america and not to a washington lobbyist named grover norquist. that to me is a heartening sign and politically courageous on their part. many of them have already said this and i respect them so much for t i think as more do it will create a atmosphere and environment for us to reach an agreement. we need the same willingness to step forward on the left to be able to meet in this room at the table, wherever the room may be, and to come to an agreement that will lead us forward. i think that the one thing i'm hoping for is if we can reach an agreement at least in principle before the end of the year, and then implement it very soon thereafter, i really honestly believe this is what many have been waiting for to watch a more spirited and substantive economic recovery. think about this for a second. if we get this done, if we get the fiscal cliff done, if we have a credible $4 trillion deficit reduction plan, signed and sealed, signed by the president, what does that say to the rest of the world? while many other economies in europe and ot
. god bless you. enjoy the conference. [applause] [applause] >>> grover norquist founder and president for americans for tax reform will be the guest at "politico" playbook breakfast. we'll be live starting at 8:00 a.m. here on c-span2. >>> now former clinton administration chief of staff john podesta talks about lessons learned from the election and what it means for changes to education. after the remarks here's joined by jeb bush for a question and answer session. it's thirty five minutes. [applause] thank you for that. it's a pleasure to be here. thank you governor bush and the foundation for excellence. it will probably come as no shock to anyone in the room that we don't agree on everything. notwithstanding his relationship to my -- one thing i think we both agree on is the importance of having strong voices on championing the cause of education as a critical element of our nation's agenda and building a strong coalition in the center to demand reform of the public education system. the system that quite tankly, is still not working for too many of our students. governor, i reall
. overwork crystal be here tomorrow. these are your pals. -- grover norquist will be here tomorrow. first, is it fun? [laughter] and my role stocks i agree with a lot of wear my blistering to take us, but as a realist be used to work for richard nixon, look at the world as it is, as i hope it might be. do you believe, given the people you know, that there is a chance for a strategic response to these things? they are a response to respond because of their inability to get along because of the people in the white house. >> we don't get along, but that's been true for a long time. we would out to go back to a different kind of leadership, a kind we had with ronald reagan presidential leadership matt, here is what america needs. i will send this bill in to the congress saying we need to do this and what that does is congress is able to say, we do not want to do this. this is not my choice. >> maybe obama ought to make bill clinton is fiscal cliff envoy? >> i thought he did? >> this is important. to bridge that experience. first of all, veterans in leadership. secondly, i want to go back to t
said publicly regardless of this grover norquist pledge, my pledge is -- i'm from pra phrasing, my pledge is to the people of america. we need more on both sides of the aisle to step up in that spirit to avoid this fiscal cliff. we can. with the president's leadership and the cooperation of the speaker we can get it done. for ten days, not much has happened. there's been a big thanksgiving break, a lieutenant of turkey and stuffing, now let's get back to business. we're back in session. roll up our sleeves, get it done. we can address this fiscal cliff and set up a plan with the president that is reasonable. weernd to do that on a bipartisan basis. and -- we need to do that on a bipartisan basis. i yield the floor. a senator: mr. president? the presiding officer: the senator would hold. under the previous order, the leadership time is reserved and under the previous order, senators are permitted to speak for up to ten minutes each. for the information of the senate, the pending business is s. 3525, which the senate is considering postcloture. the senator from virginia is recognized
and not to a washington lobbyist named grover norquist. that is politically courageous. many have already said this. i respect them so much for it. as more do, it will create an environment for us to reach an agreement. we need the same willingness to step 4 on the left to be able to meet in this room at the table or wherever the room maybe and to come to an agreement that will lead us forward. one thing i am hoping for is if we can reach an agreement, in principle before the end of the year, then implement it, i believe this is what many have been waiting for to launch a more spirited recovery. if we get this done, if we have a credible $4 trillion deficit reduction plan signed and sealed, signed by the president, what does that say to the rest of the world? many economies in europe and other places are struggling, but ours will be the strongest in the world in terms of the future. it takes a lot of hard work but it is worth the effort. all will prosper. saturday night, my wife and i went to see a movie by spielberg. about another gentleman who lived in illinois for a while named abraham lincoln. tow
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